Doric update – 10 Jan 2014

I know I’m supposed to put a photo with every blog post, and keep them short. But I don’t have many photos, and I do have a lot of information! I hope you’ll read this post anyway.

Doric seem to have begun a charm offensive. I was invited to two meetings with Doric and their reps this week. The first, Weds 8 Jan 14, was about communications and community relations. Partially in response to the letter written by Cllr Matthew Barber encouraging Doric to meet with community representatives, and probably partially a planned part of their after-filing PR machine, we will see approaches to West Way Community Concern, local traders, local councillors and the media to increase and improve communications.

This morning, Fri 10 Jan 14, their planning consultant met with some councillors and Vale officers from the property team at the Vale offices. We had a chance to see some of the detailed plans for the first time. Not all, though. There are a lot, and we had two hours with them this morning.

The plans are expected to be available for public viewing early next week. (It’s taking a bit longer than expected for the planning team to check everything.) Consultation will begin after that.

Here’s some of what I learned. As on X Factor, these are in no particular order.

  1. Parking isn’t underground. It’s at street level with buildings above it. It won’t be visible from West Way. It backs up to houses on east end of Arthray Rd.
  2. Height has been reduced from the original plans by as much a four storeys. One remaining 7 storey building is in the corner nearest Westminster Way and is the student accommodation and hotel. The other is somewhere near the centre of the development, but I didn’t catch the details.
  3. There is a 100 room hotel, envisioned to be something like a Premier Inn. It’s in the same area as the student accommodation, facing Westminster Way.
  4. The ‘medical centre’ could be GPs, or a satellite office of a Beaumont St practice, or dentist, or combination of them.
  5. There are small, medium and larger shops.
  6. There are flats for elderly in the west end near the church and community hall (in cooperation with Sovereign, discussions in progress.)
  7. There are offices. They might be something ala Regis, with shared administration or meeting rooms for public hire.
  8. Food store is 48k net square feet. 76k gross.
  9. Parking to increase from 380 to 560 spaces. (The 380 includes spaces at Grant Thornton.)
  10.  There is a gym overlooking West Way. Above the shops.
  11. They moved shops back off the road (West Way) and staggered the line so it looks less like a prison and more like different buildings. It’s an improvement, IMO.
  12. Main access is up at the western-most end. Community buildings and care home facilities and Baptist Church are there.
  13. Pedestrian access via Church Lane (is that the right road name?) off Arthray Rd. Next to no 32.
  14. Construction would be phased to minimise loss of local services.
  15. They expect a planning decision late summer-ish.
  16. Construction would take about 16 months.

From some answers that were not given very clearly, I surmise:

  • They haven’t entered into firm partnerships agreements for food store, student housing manager, hotel, occupiers of shops, gym, restaurants. The only firm name given is CineWorld.
  • They haven’t been overly successful at discussions with current traders. They say, “We’ve offered, but not much take up.”  Some local traders report they haven’t been approached.

All in all, Doric have made significant changes as a result of community lobbying. (Well done WWCC, all letter-writers and petition supporters!) They still, however, plan to move the vicarage further away from the church, replace Field House flats, and demolish Elms Parade. And their poor image in the community has left them with a big mountain to climb to get to any sort of good will.

There will be several hard copies of the plans, one set is earmarked for the WWCC shop. Another will go to each parish council; I don’t know where those will be displayed. I expect these will be distributed next week.

We requested two things today:

      1. An Executive Summary document, one that would be a good summary and starting place for people who want to understand what’s proposed without going through the detailed docs.
      2. A 3D model. The photos you will see with the application are from a fly-through software package, but are still 2D and it’s difficult to know where you’re ‘standing’ to get the view before you. (I don’t fully understand where a 3D model would be displayed — another question to ask.)

Those were the highlights. Today’s briefing was two hours.

 

4 thoughts on “Doric update – 10 Jan 2014

  1. Carol Kramer

    Dear Debby

    It gets worse -I have been learning about the lies that Doric have been putting out – eg misquoting people – “I did not say that – quite the opposite” – of fictitious supportive comments, and trying to cause confusion in the minds of members of the public. This is a pair of chancers with no moral scruples, and we give them respponsibility for the development at our peril.

    Best wishes

    Carol Kramer

  2. Fridolin Wild

    Thank you for being there for us 🙂

    I still believe the cinema is a big mistake, wasting precious space – it would fit much better over on the Seacourt Retail Park site which will be redeveloped around the same time, right? Would it help to write a petition to the cineworld owners to withdraw their support of the Doric plans and join the Retail Park Redevelopment? I guess if there were a couple hundred signatures, they would clearly see that they loose local support and customers!

    Is there going to be an open space / communal hall that can be used for community events? What about Seacourt Hall? Will we be able to rent such a place in the future for a low price? We’ve done our kid’s birthday party there, joined the nearly new sales our neighbour organises, …

    This communal space is really important – it’s an important link that connects Botley’s community and cultural life with the inner city.

    If this is gone, Botley residents will have to orient their activities towards the outskirts of Oxford and seek to organise events rather in Faringdon, Cumnor, … thus addressing no longer the area up to the west oxford community centre.

    Best,
    Fridolin

  3. Graham Sykes

    Dear Debbie

    Once again you have been an exemplary example of how a Councillor should perform their role. Thank you for all you do for us the citizens who pay for the Vale!

    What is clear is that Doric are playing games with us all. It is all designed to wear us all down. I think they underestimate how much energy they have given this community by the cavalier way they have approached this whole affair.

    We look forward to the time when we the people who will most affected by this development will be allowed to see the plans.

    Graham

  4. Baz

    Debbie thank you and all the team for the good work you all do to serve our community.

    I still don’t like Cinema, Student accommadation and hotel. What about the Library?

    A real 3-D model I think ought to be put in the WWCC shop for us to see once Doric have made one.

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